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DShizzle	Color Hardner/Release With No Sealer		Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 06/29/09 09:54 AM	Tags : None Is anyone doing one color stamp jobs with no sealer and if so... do you use liquid release or powdered release?
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DCS Inc		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2235 06/29/09 11:14 AM	Why?........ Why go thru the trouble of a colored stamped project and not put a protective seal coat on it? You are setting yourself up for call backs. Also, I'm not sure I follow the 'one color' thing. Grey concrete with just antique release? gene ec-indy
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DShizzle		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2 06/29/09 11:44 AM	I am talking about stamping color hardner (one color no release color usually continous rock texture) and not using sealer. We also do a lot of colored salt with no sealer. A lot of pool builders as well as homeowners prefer not to use sealer for different reasons. I understand that any concrete or other pourous material is prone to staining and discoloration when left unsealed.
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DCS Inc		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2236 06/29/09 11:55 AM	Oh... OK. I'm kinda slow sometimes. If no release color then the clean print liquid release would be the way to go. I'm a firm believer of sealing ALL my full depth concrete, especially on a pool deck. Pool chemicals will stain the concrete in a hurry if left open. Also, the hydrochloric acid when shocking a pool will trash a slab with color. Salt water pools will leave a white residue on the surface that is hard to remove without a protective sealant. Are your customers just not liking the gloss of the sealers? gene ec-Indy
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DShizzle		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3 06/29/09 12:50 PM	Salt and chemicals do play havoc and some of our builders are pushing more to seal them. Many home owners have friends with horror stories of slippery decks and no builder in their right mind will say that it is "not" going to be slippery. As they begin to announce more of the likelyhood of the problems associated with not sealing, there will be less demand. We are doing a larger percentage of sealed jobs now than ever but we still do a huge number of unsealed jobs, which many of, have no problems what so ever. The color seems to come out richer on the salt jobs than the stamp with the liquid...I'm thinking it may be the particular product I am using if other people do not notice any difference when they use the liquid.
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DCS Inc		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2237 06/29/09 01:22 PM	If they are worried about the sealant being slippery, I add glass bead to the first coat and then encapsulate it with a final coat. I can make the bottom of their feet bleed if they want a rough enough surface. Alum. oxide is another product that can be used. I use this on wash bays and such where constant wet floors are present. the 'POP' you get from our sealer is well worth the added time of applying the abrasive to it. gene ec-Indy
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DShizzle		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4 06/29/09 03:25 PM	This "POP" you speak of....is it like "More Bang For The Buck"...If that's so...if I could get good solvent base sealer cheap enough, I could push it a long ways. Where can I find this glass bead you speak of...I'd like to try it. I have been using this 30/70 sand. The "Shark Grip" and other crap I have seen available does not provide enough slip resistance around these pools. I have been using it for over a year with very little problems...except it is no bueno on lighter colored jobs because it has (being sand) a sandy color. I have inquired to the outfit that makes my color and sealer about getting some bigger grit, I guess there ain't enough money in it...I don't care if it stays suspended in the bucket or not...we'll get on the concrete, we use rollers any way...I just gotta keep these people up on two feet.
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DCS Inc		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2238 06/29/09 06:22 PM	If you are going to apply a sealer, don't go with the cheap zhit. It will cost ya big time in the long run. Check out our CSS emulsion. I've been in the concrete biz for 39 years and nothing beats it, period! I use it on all my concrete projects. The costs are comparable to anything on the market in that range of quality. When I say 'pop'... I mean the vibrancy/depth of color is vastly increased when using the CSS. As far as the glass bead or oxides, look up the nearest shot blasting shop near you that sells supplies. They sell the stuff as a blast medium. You can find it at deco concreter supply stores but they raise the price through the roof. It comes in varying sieve sizes. Play with it and see what you like. gene
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DShizzle		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5 07/01/09 05:43 AM	Are you DCS Inc. as in Decorative Concrete Supply in Carrolton? Never mind....I clicked on your title and see that you are not from Texas. Last Edited By: DShizzle 07/01/09 07:06 AM. Edited 1 time.
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firestalker		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 117 08/07/09 04:38 PM	Are you from Texas?
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DShizzle		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6 08/10/09 12:16 PM	North Central Texas
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firestalker		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 130 09/10/09 08:29 AM	Tyler, TX Give me a call 903-539-7498 Scott
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Magebalife	Glossy Overlays	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1 11/15/09 12:01 PM	Hi there, I am still very new in this business, so I am worried about how to make my overlays glossy and smooth.
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